My closets and nightstand is much cleaner than hers and I dont have OCD. I know that OCD was mentioned on several instances in the Discovery by those who knew her, but do they have the qualifications to make that diagnosis? parents are hardly ever at the ones to determine that nothing can be done to save their children. Death is simply not pretty, nor was it meant to be. Chris Watts strangled and smothered his pregnant wife Shanann, 34, to death, before strangling their daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, with a blanket in 2018. Strangleholds require little physical strength. Would love your thoughts, please comment. No, it doesnt. She should have seen my house when my kids were little. If she was murdered in bed, why isnt there any evidence of that? Lastly, he lies constantly to the police, why is this self serving story all of the sudden believable? Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. THE GIRLS WERE NOT COMPLETELY DEAD when put into the oil tanks. Never mind! The plea deal meant that he was spared the death penalty, and was instead sentenced to multiple life prison terms without the possibility of parole. Like 1 in the kitchen by her purse. @nickvdl Hi. And about the **bra thing** (on or off, sleep or not), well this is a big deal to me, because I think it can be considered an indicator as to time of death, or at least, it can confirm she had the chance to get out of the clothes she came home in before she was attacked and killed. So weird. ShanAnn used everyone in service to her addiction, without really appearing concerned for how it was affecting them. I hope this is okay, Nick the way the financial counselor walks the wife through her options is important to understand and doesnt appear to detract from your sites mission and goals. He said kidnap somebody, murder somebody. in any case, who the hell trusts anything coming from Chris Watts? Supposedly he took them out of school and said they wouldnt be coming back. Read Thomas Molletts forensic report https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. In terms of your comments about respect, you clearly have no respect for my work. He said it was emotional but a civil conversation and they were not arguing. @Nick I think she was killed by a surprise carotid choke (blood choke) rendering her unconscious within 3-6 seconds, hence no defence injuries, and dead in 30 seconds at the most. Notice she was undressed when found. Possible if the hips were gyrated slightly, titled vertically, the horizontal width could be reduced by an inch. Chris Watts. COFFIN BIRTH OF BABY NICO!-Please read description TY Scrub The Surface 8.27K subscribers Subscribe 13K Share 1.5M views 4 years ago THIS VIDEO IS. Are you a parent? Shannan would choke the like out of Watts before she hurt her kids. Addition. If that were in fact the equivalent of an $80,000 *salary*, they wouldnt have been behind on their mortgage and HOA dues. Shan'ann Watts -Autopsy,grave details.Graphic! I find it more comfortable & Ive always been afraid of sagging. Stomach: The stomach contains approximately 75mls of viscous green-black fluid which is suggestive of oil and particulate matter from the oil tank which she was in. She was relatively YOUNG. So yeah sigh! On page six of the report in the General Internal Examination findings, it states:- So if his parents are doing interviews and book deals, he gets it honest I reckon. The autopsy also made no references to elevated levels of any Thrive-related chemicals. Good point! Like a scene from Friday the 13th. Its in the autopsy x. I approached an expert to get his take on it, and was a little disappointed by his findings: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. This was the 6th MLM that ShanAnn had been involved in she was apparently a MLM junkie. She was an environmental science person. When it was revealed yesterday that the children had been smothered, I assumed a pillow was used, especially since it would cover their faces and provide emotional distance for Chris while murdering his own children. Shan'ann Watts tells her husband: "I don't want a video of you" while recording her children Chris Watts Case: What would Sherlock Holmes Do? Gastrointestinal Tract: Reay & Holloway (1982) state that during neck holds, the blood flow to the head is reduced by 85% within six seconds. (883931) Full autopsy reports of all 3. I have come to think of her OCD tendencies as a bit like the way she was around her kids. Perhaps they had one via phone or text. Subdued and buried alive perhaps? She had a separate closest for her shoes & purses. http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, But Celeste didnt have oil her stomach. Shananns Autopsy Report states, There is a linear array of variably sized, purple black circular defects which extend from the inferior aspect of the chin, along the jawline, up the left aspect of the face, towards the left temporal area. Debbie do you have a link to that 411 Documentary please? read befor comment on subjectit is well describedecomposition did this. Watts, a 33-year-old Colorado oil worker, killed his wife, Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant, along with his two daughters aged three and four on August 13, 2018. I was in Colorado in the area on vacation the week this happened last August and the whole thing is sickening and deeply troubling to me. I will say one thing CW did NOT doat least he didnt rape his baby girlsha, like that makes him a good man, Yo i bet that thrive shit gave her that gallstone. Unless he threw it there and forgot to take it and planned on ridding of it. Thanks for making the reports public. i did not read many commentsso maybe others have notice thisCeces autopsys did not reveal her oesophasagus( maybe wrong spelling )surgery?this can be a reason why CW tried to keep all of them health documentation avoid been public recorded?becausethere may have been some exageration about it ?on the other sideinsurance policies would have not give them money so maybe this is why the medical bills so heavy?there is something that i dont understand? He also said he didnt know where they were and he thought they were coming back. https://youtu.be/U8fe6Ckeh5A?t=210. He probably wanted it done quickly and in the dark so he wouldnt have to see anyones faces, anything that might make him doubt what he is doing. I did hear shananns mom say let them in her daughters house. Under anaerobic conditions (absence of free oxygen) acids such as lactic acid, acetic acid and butyric acid are produced during decomposition, as well as a number of alcohols which include butyl alcohol, ethyl alcohol and acetone. Air chokes have been associated with fractures of the larynx or hyoid bone and are considered less safe than blood chokes in these applications. Autopsy shows oil, water, and sludge in their lungs, which cannot happen when you are dead. I do believe that she may have been the one who smothered the children because she was so controlling, according to friends and family, that she didnt want another woman around her kids. Christopher Watts, the husband of pregnant Shanann Watts and the father of Bella and 3-year-old Celeste, pleaded guilty to killing all three in August. Along comes NK, (a pig in her own right) who rocked ol Christophers world! Cuz if shed already died she would have not been engaged in the act of strangling her like he said. Youll never see the kids again! WHATEVER!!! No traces of fecal material found, but in the Rohde case there were fecal traces. Watts was no genius, by saying he saw her kill CeCe and giving such a short timeframe for their killings, he left it wide open that they could have been saved had he called 911 or administered CPR instead of murdering his pregnant wife. @Kaye Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself.>>>When he murdered Shanann, how do you think he did it? Oil water and sludge debris in the stomach.. It has NOTHING to do with being organized, clean, or a neat freak. You can argue till the cows come home and all you end up arguing is that she could be in any non-specific place in the house. The breast get sore , and large during pregnancy, and for me at least, it was more comfortable to have them supported and padded. She said he was telling people he has to go to work and that just doesnt seem right. Shanann Watts Cause of Death: How Did the Colorado Mother Die? Shanann returned home from a business trip on the early morning hours of August 13, 2019. There was a largely decomposed fetus expelled from the uterus. Her house was immaculate, I envy that she was able to keep everything like that. I agree. Hes a piece of crap but make no mistake, they would be alive if not for Shannan. A person who is killed and immediately wrapped up and taken out of the home within an hour isnt going to be in rigor in that time- the first rigor shows up in about 1-2 hours, and then takes about 12 hrs to fully develop Then dissipates again about 12 hours later. Police reportsA photo of one of the girls. Straight up facts. The kids had two wack jobs for parents. He didnt attempt to revive the children or call for help. I took a lot of interest in the K9 footage as I had a SAR Shore Rescue dog for 13 years (best nose in Cornwall). If you look at other cases where someone is strangled to death, the amount of defensive wounds, including bruises, is extensive. I honestly believe Chris smothered them all with ethanol soaked cloths. He had a plan to kill them all, all along. I actually do not believe that there was any sedation to the girls or his wife. Ugh. Its typical that children be smothered as opposed to stabbed etc. On the police cams you can just see hi. He said they had been talking about separating for a few weeks. Theres a very clear indicator when the children died. Take Jodi Arias she lured him into a shower and made sure she was armed and he was naked, vulnerable and unsuspecting when she attacked him. And anyone on this thread acting as if the mother plays any part(or the mistress) for that matter..well you are just as psychotic. Cheryl: If Chris did that, he definitely has to die. If you believe that Chris didnt kill his daughters, then why on earth did he dump their bodies in oil tanks like they were trash? Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. Look up alcohol levels in postmortem state. 53 102 comments sorted by New Add a Comment (RJ Sangosti/The Denver Post via AP, Pool) Autopsy reports released Monday afternoon reveal in the greatest detail so far what, exactly, Christopher Watts pleaded guilty to, and why he'll serve the rest of his life in prison.The reports for Watts' pregnant wife, Shanann Watts, 34; Bella Watts, 4; and Celeste Watts, 3; show Watts killed his . Believe meeven the worst of the worst, hardened criminals do NOT like baby killers.they WILL do to him what he did to his babiesjust a matter of time one of those inmates having NOTHING to lose, lifetime sentences.CW is NOT going to live long once hes let out of his isolated cageGuards will make sure a door gets left open, backs turnedthey HATE baby killers toowe all do. I also think the MLM biz attracts people that are lost, and need to be directed and consumed by something. Sociopaths/Covert narcissists wreak havoc and(emotional) destruction on those around them without exception. But its tough watching some of them, and at times I felt awful for all of themand the girls clearly did not want to be on camera while Shannan clearly wanted them TO be on camera. Three days after the murders, on August 16, police discovered Shanann's body in a shallow grave and the girls stuffed inside nearby oil tanks on the . Thats inaccurate. Its actually not uncommon. Some people never saw. It seems as if the account Chris gave once he was finally in jail and writing letters was the truth. He is not only a monster, but also a coward, by quickly disabling his victims. If the oil got into her stomach by being submerged in the tank then shouldnt CeCe have oil in her system too. Or after kids went to bed, and Im sure she didnt want to become an instant Mom! 3. Her body had been out in the warm Spring sun for 3 days, leaving the blood and fluids to ferment, if you will, which could have resulted in a false positive post mortem BAC. I did. How does pretending to be asleep and cowardice align with murder? In fact, I wonder if LeVel pulled some strings in Chris plea bargain it would certainly be better for the MLM to not have details about its pernicious effect on this familys finances coming out in a court trial. They went to her house and observed her car in the garage. Page 463 Because you asked if I hurt her and I said no but I hurt her emotionally the agents said they already knew about Nikki which took Chris by surprise, he then realizes shes talked to the police. Do you think that maybe she was actually just unconscious? And, as you point out in one of your replies to anothers comment about the oil in her body, there was no oil in her lungs, in her stomach yes, in her lungs no. The DA mentioned that. She is OCD and very ritualistic in nature. It's difficult to speculate what the norm would be in a criminal case, especially where an autopsy would need to be performed on both the mother . Even if he raged and killed Shannon because she killed her girls, I would much rather be guilty for killing Shannon because she killed my babies then be a monster guilty of killing my daughters so I would have called for help so the cops could do their job and get the evidence to back up my story. She seemed to be in pajamas which indicates she got into bed, which sickly matches up with his barely got into bed remark, The sheets were stripped because they probably got pulled off anyway during the act. Rigor mortis lasts 8-12 hours. I am very new to this case, only a couple of months ago, end of November 2020 to be precise. Shanann was wrapped in a sheet. Powered by. The same instinct that we as parents have to call somebody for help when our children our hurt. She also had Lupus, and was 15-16 weeks pregnant, which could have been the reason why she wasnt feeling well. There is a text I think to chris. Actually I have a sad experience of watching both my mother and brother pass away in front of me. Read my above post. Triggers related to cleanliness and symptoms related to washing make up only a small part of the range She didnt try to bite him? She tells him youll never see the kids again he flips, kills her and poor little Bella sees it. There are FBI profilers who are trained at reading people by what they dont say & in Chriss case sometimes he says too much. Its more likely the complete opposite. Im sure if he were pretending to sleep she would have been so tired she would have gone to sleep right away, thinking well talk in the morning, things will be better tomorrow. I bet there was no conversation. All these people do is lie. They then start putting the idea in his head what happened, did one of the kids die & Shannan killed the other one & herself? I am by no means defending him. The kids died afterward, otherwise he would have to break bones due to rigor to get them through the hatch. Cassie Rosenberg Page 626 They obviously didnt watch the K9 body cam footage! Please God Forgive me for everything.. His mom I think knew about it prior. Also, CW was looking up dosages for oxycodone, a powerful pain medication that ShanAnn had plenty of stockpiled around the house. Again, less bad publicity for LeVel. They were invited by Shannans family to attend the funerals and did not even show. That is what this whole thing boils down to, Chris not wanting a divorce for the simple fact of having to pay child support on 3 kids. I didnt see any evidence that Shanann tried to defend herself, probably because he sat on top of her. If the digestive tract opens up at death, where did Shannan, Bella and Celeste poop? And where do you think he did it? Please, if he was worried about the kids, then why did he kill them as well. Shanann was discovered in a "foetal position" in a shallow grave, while her two young daughters were found in "crude oil sludge". The police reports contain a conversation Chris had with his father. But I think she had some difficulty in raising and tolerating young children. It was on an automatic answering thing. He is a monster. Everyone did think I was the nutty one by what he said cause he was a great guy to them. I believe the frenulum injury could be explained from the process of stuffing her head through the thief hatch post mortem it was a tight squeeze with the larger child. If the children had cold pizza for tea at 7pm, that means they were still alive until at least 11pm. Where was all the money from that house? PLEASE know, all of these words are helping me to work through an event that is really messing with my head. He continuously maintained throughout the entire interrogation that he would never hurt those kids. The ethanol levels are perplexing though; even in decomposition they are rarely above .07. CeCe was face down no oil inside her. Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to manual strangulation by another individual. They didnt do date nights. This put undo pressure on the marriage and Chris being the douche bag he is, it was too much pressure to perform I beleive. In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on CrimeOnline, investigators appear incredulous that he was able to fit the bodies into the tanks, but Watts claimed he was able to do so without difficulty. Ive been reading this whole thread and as I always respect other ppls views and opinions as much as I can, there is one contributor to this conversation that thinks they know everything sigh. She felt that he is going out to pour oil on the bodies to dispose of them. Her husband spoke to Chris and he was not shedding a tear about his missing family.. 1. So wheres the problem here? The Netflix show details the deteriorating relationship between Chris and Shanann, who began suspecting her husband was having an affair and felt he was suddenly pulling away from her, a fact she spilled to numerous friends in anguished text messages. I mean, nothing can be done of course, it is done and is over of course, I am stating the very obvious. I guess we would never know and it wouldnt make any difference on his sentence. He has to be asked if he EVER went to look at Bella and see what condition she was in. & he says ah um like yeah theres that too & sort of skips right over it. he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. After reading your response Im wondering if this was filled with ethanol or some similar agent. She says did Shannan do something that made you do something? Even more common with pregnant women. It was the early hours of the morning, she was pregnant, fed up with airport holdups and storms, and tired. I do know a lot of women who do this also. Mommys earned this. It seems likely she even planned to use her pregnancy and 3rd child in service to her MLM addiction see https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/. 2 hours isnt going to bed or going to sleep. Amy thoughts on her? I own this site, and have posted hundreds of blogs, and written 4 books on the Watts case. Shed been drinking?? So Shananns OCD personality stopped that night? Chris was plainly seen in the neighbors security video loading a red gas can into the back of his truck. Do you have any family that said she had OCD? @Carol: OCD appears at least 5 times in the Discovery Documents. The one person who took a few breaths almost immediately fainted. And did you mention that the 6 weeks Shannan was in NC with her girls that your Hero Chris Watts was enjoying 6 weeks of being single with his girlfriend, and that was the turning point in their marriage? Or perhaps he left when the sun was coming up because thats when he usually left for work. I am of the opinion that: Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was forced brutally into the oil tank, and her injuries were sustained during this push. ~KSmallz. I cant believe the police let them stay in there. Chris only saw things with one lense. The autopsy is commenced at 1030 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Shanann Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. She had the girls in daycare full time to the tune of $500 a week, spending $28k a year per official documents, and this HAD to be a financial strain. If we can believe his scenario, that also sounds like Shannn wasnt trying to kill her daughter like Chris thought, which meant neither of them killed her which leaves someone who must have entered the home by using an access code that wouldnt trip the alarm and I wonder who that might be ((cough*mistress*cough)) if Chriss scenario is correct of course! He has proven to be a pathalogical liar and nothing he has said before or after his conviction can be proven as truth. And then it was turned off. He vacuumed twice a day. ShanAnn had been in a total of 6 MLMs that I could identify (Amway, Origami Owl, LulaRoe, Younique, ItWorks!, Thirty One, and Thrive oops, thats SEVEN); theyd already had to file bankruptcy in 2015; and now they were about to lose their house due to not being able to pay their bills. D: Oil, water and sludge debris was found in her stomach. Heres another: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-11-23-susan-rohde-sustained-too-many-injuries-to-hang-herself-pathologist/. Neither of them passed any body fluids. Shanann had only (ap autopsy) "probable bruising on the anterior subcutaneous neck tissue" sweetbreez 4 yr. ago Like the previous commenter said, LE explained that it had to do with her being buried in the sand vs the oil. Then again she was dressed for bed. stop, stop. . Hence, no struggle, no stretches. I actually don't understand this and would think the opposite would actually be true. 19th Judicial District Attorney Michael Rourke said that Watts totally and deliberately ended four lives, smothering the girls. I dont think I know everything, but I do know more about this case than most. You know theres plenty of that right? She wanted to be, and really thought she was, a great mom. If he straddled her chest, and pins her arms down with his knees, she would have been incapacitated. I wore my bra at night sometimes as well while pregnant because they become larger, heavier and more tender. But then I think if he didnt was he going to leave them at home alone all day? How dare you blame the victim? He resented how close they all were and was sadistic enough to hurt her. She was not drinking while pregnant! Here is what the International OCD Foundation says. False nails like ShanAnn was so fond of wearing dont scratch skin as effectively as natural nails do they arent as sharp. He ran into Ceces bedroom and got on top of Shannan. What about rigormortis?. Hello everyone, Kick him? The FBI agents had already profiled that the wife had been strangled because theyd been through the house with luminol & found no blood splatter, and because children were involved also believed smothering was involved. He kind of giggled & said like you mean like on TV like a magician. He didnt know what to do and was shaking. Thankyou Nick for all your studies, research and insights. Utter Rubbish! Thankfully that psych warned me I should take the children somewhere to be safe. Usually when suffocation happens, its not only quiet but you dont see the victims face, while strangulation you see it all. Esophageal strictures are typically treated with a procedure called esophageal dilation, during which a physician uses a small balloon to stretch open the scar tissue causing the narrowing in the esophagus. Shanann Watts. Lo que ese animal hizo estuvo todo en su sano juicio, los borrachos dicen que hacen cosas indebidas por estar ebrios pero, este definitivamente es satans. Even if they appear to be dead or as the agent in this case said decapitated you call & plead for someway to help fix them. Told everyone I was bipolar, that we were divorced, even took me to one of his counseling sessions to prove I was the one with the problem. This is an excellent theory and makes a TON of sense!!! So its OCD when it comes to what people see, both house and life if you will..but a suitcase at 2 am, 4 months pregnant, I could easily see her saying nope to carrying that suitcase upstairs. On page one of the report in the list of Diagnoses, it states:- I am new to this case, a couple of months of watching/listening to your videos Nick, and I am now working my way through your books. It is a condition that causes you to have irrational and uncontrolled thoughts, and the only way to make the thoughts stop, is to perform a ritual. The entire thing is one of the worst cases Ive ever heard of- and I think about those poor responders who retrieved the bodies May they find peace from those memories some day soon. The girls were just in their pajamas; they werent wrapped in blankets. And his mistress tells him she wants to be the one to have his first boy prior to the murders and surprise after finding out she is having a boy , she is now dead. I feel like maybe she did meet them. Bella was wearing pink pajama-type top with images of hearts and butterflies. Poor thing. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished although decomposing Caucasian female whose appearance is generally The graphic autopsy reports detail the condition of all three bodies after they were recovered from an oil site owned by Anadarko Petroluem, where Chris Watts buried them. 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