Cowboy life, Ballistic Research, Gunsmithing ,Shooting , Fishing, Hunting,Photography,etc. Copyright 2019 sassnet.com The latter is an excellent hunting round thats capable of dropping even elephants, but depending on what kind of handgun hunting you expect to do, .44 Magnum may still be a suboptimal choice. The American gun maker made him the gift of an engraved presentation Model 3 valued at more than $400 (equivalent to $9,000 in 2021). Last edited on 20 February 2023, at 04:29, "Smith & Wesson's #3, Colt's Biggest Rival in the Old West", "American Legends: Those Fantastic .44s! I put a Dr Pearson tacrail on it and a saddle ring, and a SS follower. (II) Limit one entry per household. In our SDB we cannot use Lee dies OR regular Dillon dies. Have fun! DocAitch Registered Joined Dec 17, 2008 931 Posts Employees and agents of Publishers Development Corp. are not eligible. Most notable were humps at the top of Model #3s grips and odd-looking spurs extending from trigger guards. Then there was a Third Model .44 Russian with 6.5 barrel. My Colts have dual cylinders, 44-40 & Special. Its recognizable by a large thumb screw on the topstrap. S&W wanted to enter the large frame, swing-out cylinder market. Thats why most..44 Magnum handguns have a little more heft than the typical .44 Special. S&W chambered the Model #3 Russian and the New Model #3, both single action top-breaks, in .44 Russian. You can also tame the .44 Magnum's relatively wild recoil by shooting loads with lighter bullets. First introduced in 1907, the .44 Special was notedlike its predecessorfor being controllable, accurate and potent enough for most purposes including law enforcement and sport shooting. 44 Special vs 44 Magnum: Caliber Comparison by Ammo.com. (IV) Winners must undergo a background check and comply with all other federal, state and local laws. Employees and agents of Publishers Development Corp. are not eligible. No substitutions or transfers to a third party are allowed. Bottom line is you need to have 2 cylinders for this. If an expanding bullet hits the target at a slower rate of speed, it may fail to expand. Prizes will not be awarded if illegal in jurisdiction of winner(s). 180 Grain TCFP Hi-Tek Coated Cowboy Action~100% Hand-Loaded!! Many shooters find the Magnum's recoil difficult to control. Above: Samples of revolvers chambered for all three .44s. . To prevent the new high-pressure ammunition from being fired in .44 American revolvers with disastrous results, the overall cartridge case length was increased by .06 in to 0.970 in. ", "The .44 Special Cartridge of the Century? Taurus - 44SS8 8.375in 44 Magnum Stainless 6RD. Developed as a big-bore revolver cartridge in the 1950s, the .44 Magnum quickly grew to widespread adoption. (II) Limit one entry per household. In short, because of .44 Magnums unwieldy recoil, .44 Special is the better choice for two-legged threats. can be handloaded with the same bullet. Cowboy load for .44 Magnum I started shooting with a local Cowboy Action Shooting club several months ago. I have a model 329 PD 44 magnum that I put a S&W stainless steel fluted cylinder on and removed the titanium one it came with. Two of those revolvers ended up in this camp, a Richards Type II conversion with a 5" barrel and the Richards-Mason conversion with an 8" barrel. SWC with a gas check. All entries must be received by giveaway end date. Dubbed the S&W Model 29, it was specially designed to handle the new high-pressure loads. S&W introduced their first metallic cartridge-firing revolver in 1870. Home; Categories. The rational always seems to be a "because I can" mind set. starline has the russian, special, and mag brass all in stock. A .44 mag loaded to around 900 to 1,000 fps will still make a significant impression on the local bag guy. (II) Limit one entry per household. As for purpose-built .44 Special revolvers, while there may be a decent number of older models for sale on the used market, new-production options are severely limited. And I suppose your wife. Of course you can shoot a shorter round in the same caliber. A 45-70 has comparable bullet mass, but doubling the speed makes the recoil 35-38 ft-lbs! (II) Limit one entry per household. Velocity changed also to nominal 1,470 fps. You have entered an incorrect email address! Believe it or not, .44 Special is better than .44 Magnum at some thingsbut the reverse is true as well. Compared to the hotrod .44 Magnum, the Special delivers fairly sluggish speeds. and its .44 Spl. I know 18 such rounds came with my first S&W .44 Magnum in 1968. Based on the black-powder .44 Smith & Wesson Russian, the Special featured the newest, state-of-the-art smokeless powder. Factory warranties may apply in some cases. In 1957 the company went to model numbers with .44 Mags getting Model 29. A number of ammunition companies still manufacture .44 Russian ammunition: Additionally, Starline Brass makes new, unprimed cartridge cases in .44 Russian for handloaders. Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. The Flying Ashtray was, is and will always be the sadly discontinued #4477 Speer 200g JHP. No purchase necessary. Dash Caliber First model .44 Russian Model #3s looked identical to the companys .44 Americans, but soon the Russians wanted some changes. They were ballistic twins. These were advertised as being chambered for the .44 Colt/Russian because they will also shoot the .44 Russian cartridges. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. (III) Giveaway winner(s) chosen by random drawing. For close-range varmints and small game, the milder .44 Special works just fine. Freelance double-nought spy Logged Contest open to U.S. residents only. Quad-ported by Mag-Na-Port and put a 500 S&W Hogue recoil absorbing grip on it. With Lymans RN bullets 4.2 grs. Not sure which of these classic big-bore handgun cartridges you should load in your six-gun? GO BACK. Mail-in entries accepted; send postcards (no envelopes) to: American Handgunner Magazine, GOM May/June 2023, P.O. 3 revolver had to be changed from the straight bored .44 American configuration to a stepped arrangement which was .457 in at the rear of the cylinder to accept the case, and narrower from the case shoulder forward to give a tight fit for the smaller bore .44 Russian bullet. As a cartridge for the Hand Ejector, First Model .44 (nicknamed triplelock) they introduced a wild and crazy idea. Box 1926, Escondido, CA 92033. Learn how your comment data is processed. Successfully stopping a threat depends on shot placement, penetration, number of shots on target, and sometimes the proper alignment of the stars. If you were really torn about these two cartridges, the best practice would be to get a .44 Magnum and figure out which .44 Special loads shoot to the sights and don't lose any accuracy. (IV) Winners must undergo a background check and comply with all other federal, state and local laws. (II) Limit one entry per household. Winners must respond within 30 days of receiving notification or an alternate winner will be selected. Note: This information comes from the manufacturer and is for informational purposes only. Both pistol and rifle. No purchase necessary. Vintage Boxes - Gear, Shell, Case, Primer, Group Buys Design, Active , Waiting and Archives, Closed Buys/Waiting for delivery/in shipment, If this is your first visit, be sure to (I) Giveaway ends May 31, 2023. So, they decided to update their most popular large-bore cartridge. While .44 Special is more than serviceable for medium to smaller game at modest distances, the reality is .44 Magnum has such a good track record that you might as well not bother. bullet at a similar velocity of about 750 fps. The original .44 Special load introduced by Smith & Wesson featured a 246-grain round-nose lead bullet backed by a smokeless powder charge equivalent to 26 grains of black powder. Keith partnered with Smith & Wesson and Remington Arms and the cartridge was introduced onto the market in 1956. Associated taxes and fees will be the responsibility of the winner. The .44 Russian chambering became a hit in the domestic market as well, gaining a reputation as the first American revolver cartridge offering inherent accuracy. To ensure we had as close to an apples-to-apples comparison as possible, we looked at Noslers load data. To protect the privacy and security of winners, names will not be made public. Deep penetration can be either a blessing or a curse, depending on the scenario. View as Grid . of Trail Boss for right around 685 fps. However, the weight of the gun and the weight of the projectile its firing also affect the amount of recoil produced. Either way, HSM has you covered. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. To me it is just about the perfect carry gun with the old Skeeter Skelton load. SWC with a gas check. Available bullet weights range from a relatively meager 180 grains to a super weighty 300 grains. All entries must be received by giveaway end date. But you can shoot 44 Special ammo in it making it enjoyable to shoot. kids that hunt and fish dont mug old ladies, I have a couple of questions about your load Do you lube the round balls at all What is your over all length And is there any crimp involved. 30+yrs ago the pistol targets were 4" plates at 50ft, the rifle targets were 8" plates at 50-60yds. wild bunch GREED & the gamers from IPSC killed the fun. So, S&W remodeled the .44 Henry cartridge to centerfire ignition and called it .44/100. The selection of .44-caliber bullets is vast, allowing plenty of load customization. Reloading the .44 Russian is made easier today with the availability of .44 Magnum Carbide sizing dies. [2], In the early 1870s, General Alexander Gorloff, the military attach assigned to the Russian Embassy in Washington, D.C., approached Smith & Wesson about the possibility of negotiating a military sales contract for the purchase of a large number of Smith & Wesson Model 3 revolvers for the Imperial Russian Army. Yes, the 44 Special can be applied in the 44 Magnum barrel with no . Contest open to U.S. residents only. Deployed military should use stateside address. The new magnum case was the .44 Special stretched to 1.29. One large group purchaser of S&W Americans made two important changes after their additional order. Heavy recoil not only takes some fun out of the shooting experience but also makes it hard to get back on target. For hunting, either with a rifle or a handgun, the .44 Remington Magnum is capable of taking even the toughest game animals. In comparison, the .44 Special is softer than a newborn kitten. It was named .44 S&W Special. Generally defined as how effectively the round can terminate a threat or drop a game animal, stopping power is a complicated subject. First, the Rossi is a very high-quality clone and performs every bit as well as an original Model 1892. For those with their hearts set on a .44-caliber handgun, the choice between special or magnum ultimately boils down to how you plan on using it. Contest void where prohibited by law. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - 44 Russian in a 44 Mag. Some .44 Magnum sixguns will shoot the shorter .44 Special loads well while others give mediocre performance. Those factory loads leaded like the dickens! Because .44 Mag hums along at a significantly higher velocity than .44 Spl, it also carries a ton more kinetic energy with it. You can load the .44 mag cartridge to milder loads than the wrist wrenching .44 mag screamers. Other Models S&W chambered the Model #3 Russian and the New Model #3, both single action top-breaks, in .44 Russian. Ammo: Elk, Deer And Everything Else, 10 Best Long-Range Cartridges of All Time (2023), 8 On-Target Concealed Carry Insurance Options (2022), 10 Affordable Double-Barrel Shotgun Options (2022), Best AR-15 Options For Any Budget And Buyers Guide (2022), Best Concealed Carry Handguns For Women (2022). However, like most pistol cartridges, the .44 Magnum "wakes up" out of a carbine length rifle barrel. As for four-legged threats, a .44 Magnum with a non-expanding, deep-penetrating projectile is unquestionably the better pick for a backup gun in grizzly country. Winners will be notified by certified mail on official letterhead. The Flying Ashtray was, is and will always be the sadly discontinued #4477 Speer 200g JHP. More selection. It was named .44 S&W Special. Kinetic energy is equal to half the mass of the bullet times its velocity squared. Using a .44 special case the 800fps load requires 5.5 gr of Bullseye. Experimenters such as Elmer Keith proved that a heavily loaded .44 Special was very effective on big game. Stopping the attacker is the goal here, and that doesnt necessarily mean death (although that is often the end result). No purchase necessary. It's been observed in .38/.357 as well as .44 Special/.44 Magnum guns. According to physics, the extra propellant packed into that slightly longer .44 Magnum case should generate more recoil. 3. I like them both and carry the stainless in the winter. However, the opposite isnt true. Early version Amadeo-Rossi R92 SS, 1/4 cock safety. I don't paint bullets. Your load my be alright for ''tinking" those GIGANTIC STEEL PLATES at 20ft. S&W carried the .44 Special through four remodels stopping in 1966. The 44 Russian is used by many Cowboy Action Shooters who appreciate its soft shooting nature, and it's excellent accuracy. He offered his hot .44 Special loads through mail order with plenty of success. It is also easy to find fresh brass for both cartridges. Reloading dies are available from most manufacturers. (III) Giveaway winner(s) chosen by random drawing. 44 S&W Russian; 44 S&W Russian. [1] The .44 Russian design marked the first use of an internally lubricated bullet in modern firearm ammunition. Best 7mm Rem. I like Black Rifle Coffee. As to bullseye accuracy, here we get into the weeds. My comment is that .44 mag cartridges dont have to be loaded to maximum. I've been loading the 240gr over 5.5grs TiteGroup for my buddy for over 15yrs. You can also shoot a mini shotgun shell in it sometimes called snake shot. Recreational Shooting. No substitutions or transfers to a third party are allowed. Several here do what you describe. The .44Spl is a wonderful cartridge in the GP-100 and a bit of a handful in the Charter Arms Bulldog Pug when loading jacketed bullets although big, heavy, slow lead bullets work just fine. Then in 1956 S&W knocked the gun world on its ear by introducing the .44 Remington Magnum with its introductory vehicle being a strengthened N-Frame. .44 Russian, .44 Special, ..44 Magnum and 444 Marlin. Prizes will not be awarded if illegal in jurisdiction of winner(s). Mechanical accuracy has an enormous number of variables. When the bullet makes impact, much of that kinetic energy is transferred to the target, sending concussive energy through soft tissue. If its strong enough to take down a black bear, it can certainly stop two-legged predators. Winners must respond within 30 days of receiving notification or an alternate winner will be selected. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.). In response, Smith & Wesson developed the first double-action .44 Magnum revolver in 1955. Not me ! Smith & Wesson's popular .44 Russian cartridge had established a reputation for superb accuracy and was a renowned target load, and they decided to use an improved smokeless powder version as the basis for the new round. Winners will be notified by certified mail on official letterhead. Yup and yup. The .44 Special was the preferred cartridge for this task, as there were more varied projectiles made for it, and the revolvers of the daysuch as the S&W Triple Lock, Colt New Service and SAAhad thicker cylinder walls in .44 than in .45 Colt. WARTHOG, Dirty Rat #600, BOLD #1056, CGCS,GCSAA, NMLRA, NRA, AF&AM, CBBRC. Gorloff correctly recognized that such ammunition tends to pick up debris and contaminants which erode the bore when fired, so a qualification of the purchase contract was that Smith & Wesson develop an internally lubricated version of their .44 round. On the left is a Navy Arms replica of a 3rd Model S&W .44 Russian. (IV) Winners must undergo a background check (if needed) and comply with all other federal, state and local laws. The bear, during the attack, moved from one hunter to the other, giving Doug the chance to access Reed's .44 magnum, that had been hung in a tree. It was SKILL AND speed back then. and operating pressures between itself and it's predecessors. However, it may be necessary to shorten a .44 Magnum/.44 Special expanding die as well as a seater/crimper die to be able to reach the relatively short .44 Russian case. SASS has degenerated into a game of dress up for old baby boomers. .44 Magnum ammo was designed by firearm enthusiast Elmer Keith. (III) Giveaway winner(s) chosen by random drawing. A 5-shot Charter Arms Bulldog Pug .44Spl is much easier to carry than a 4in S&W N frame. Police departments have also been ditching .40 S&W nationwide (partially) for the same reason over the last 20 years in favor of 9mm. I once loaded a bunch of balloon head .44 Russian brass with the standard original load of 23.0 grains of black powder under a 250-gr. gp100 several years ago and doesnt list one on their site, second time that I know of. But youre correct, you can get the same performance with both. Even though it isn't called a 44, it does shoot a 44-caliber bullet. Meanwhile, the .44 Spls recoil is mild as milk. Associated taxes and fees will be the responsibility of the winner. forebear have deep roots in American shooting culture, stretching back through top-break antecedents in .44 Russian all the way back to antebellum black-powder Colt . I've 'made' .455 brass but .45 long colt brass is on the thick side when you trim it that short. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on. Factory warranties may apply in some cases. been EDCing a Charter Arms 4 Bulldog for years. Factory warranties may apply in some cases. I watched a fellow cowboy shoot the wrong undersized cartridge in his pistols, they all went bang but he didn't hit any steel. The Rossi clone lives up to the legend, and offers some nice modern features. As a cartridge for the Hand Ejector, First Model .44 (nicknamed triplelock) they introduced a wild and crazy idea. Deployed military should use stateside address. Yes. Factory warranties may apply in some cases. [1][3], However, Gorloff had some reservations about the standard .44 S&W American chambering of the pistol which, similar to today's .22 long rifle, had an externally lubricated heeled bullet. However, that extra of an inch makes for a roomier casing. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. (I) Giveaway ends March 31, 2023. round-nosed lead bullet. I bought a box of .44 Russian about a year ago to answer this question regarding my Marlin 1894. 6 More answers below Diktator Alexander The difference is enormous. RATS 332, Retired Winter Range Board & TG, ACSA TG, Cowtown, others. I guess there wasnt enough interest for Ruger to keep them in their lineup. not. When you look at numbers like velocity and kinetic energy, it is apparent that the .44 Mag is a powerful performer. Finding anything other than .44 Special revolver probably isnt in the cards. Theres your answer. Smith & Wesson Centerfire Revolvers. Their story started in 1872 in what might be called an instance of Russian collusion. RN to 240-gr. The .44 Smith & Wesson Special is well over a century old. (II) Limit one entry per household. When combining these two with a .44 Magnum Carbide sizing die Im not only reliving a major part of sixgun history Im also able to turn out first-class .44 Russian handloads. Related Links; Rock Island Arsenal Bolt action .22 TCM; Savage Arms Corp. Model 24 Combination Gun .22LR/.410 GA; SMITH & WESSON S&W 14-2 K-38 MASTERPIECE 38 . The cartridge reached its prime in the 1950s, when the father of big-bore hand gunning, Keith Elmer, experimented with hotter loads and wadcutter projectiles. They chambered just fine. and the case is the same outside diameter. I got a stainless Non fluted cylinder gp100 then found a blued 5 inch on CDNN for $500. There are a few reproduction single-action revolvers in .44 Special as well, typically Bisley SAA clones. Nothing spectacular happened, but you wouldn't want to reload the cases. And easy to carry too. The 44-40 (first known as 44 Winchester Centerfire or WCF) was introduced in 1873; the 44 Russian was introduced in 1871. If they feed, go for it. Lots of folks said "ohh, bad juju" but he says he had no problems. However, when a heavyweight bullet rips through the air at Magnum velocities, over-penetration can be a serious concern. Hi, I have a .44 magnum carbine and I love it! Purchase A PDF Download Of The American Handgunner Sept/Oct 2020 Issue Now! 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